Note Appeal for overescalation killing kate in the bridge

CKEY: Bastian0930

Admin’s CKEY: Cerebrallolzy

**Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: It’s a note, so both.

Which server did the ban happen on? That’d be LRP.

Ban Type: Note

Ban Length: Expires next year.

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 2020-07-28

Round ID: This is unknown. I’m not supplied with one.

Ban Reason: "Over-escalation: Murdered kate cause she broke into bridge and didnt take them to medbay. Left their body in a cell to rot. "

Appeal Reason: I feel the fact that kate broke into the bridge with a fireaxe allows me to skip to murder based on "Escalation may ‘speed’ up or outright be skipped to step 3 to 5 IF :

  • The trespassing occurs in highly secure areas (Vault, Armory, AI Upload/Core)
  • Trespassing into areas which are vital for the station’s wellbeing (atmos, SM)
  • Trespassing into areas that are part of Command areas (Bridge, EVA, Teleporter and such. This includes head of staff’s offices) or are isolated from the station (No one goes to viro, let’s be honest)."

I skipped to 5 based on the fact he had a axe. 5 specifically states "IF they go completely hostile (Attacking first and non-stop), they use a weapon or come back to your workplace for a 3rd time (or with a weapon such as a baseball bat), you may validly kill them.

At the time, they had a fire axe in the bridge. I feel murder was a valid action here. Hell, even space law says if they are armed and dangerous, you may use deadly force.
Additional Information:
Cerebral being unprofessional in the ticket is not important, but is probably required to be brought up.

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i waved to you and said hi, i wanted the fireaxe to kill monkes for meat, and i was hacking my way out, i showed no hostility or intention to kill.

You still broke in, and were armed. This fits all of the validity rules.

yes you MAY scalate into critting but you should NOT kill until the other dude scalates,

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hahahaha ok this is wild coming from you kate. This is literally the kind of shit you do. I was in armory because HoP gave me AA and I just wanted armor. You immediately killed me without asking and accused me of stealing AA from the captain. This is too funny. Actually made me laugh out loud.

armory makes you 100% valid retard and YOU HAD ALL ACCES AS THE CLOWN, stealing a fireaxe =//= stealing a gun

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Then why doesn’t the bridge make you valid? It’s in the same paragraph that allows you to escalate there.

Is the fireaxe not a weapon?

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The fireaxe is a pretty dangerous weapon and when someone breaks in to steal it they are usually an antag. I can guarantee if the people were switched and you saw someone breaking out of the bridge with a fucking fireaxe you would do the exact same thing.

except I didn’t even go where the guns were or have a gun. I went where the armor was and said “I just wanted armor”

yeah exactly

yeah how do you not see what you did as just as bad? Hell your intent was to get a weapon, regardless of how you would’ve used it, mine was to get protection.

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I’m pretty sure that being in bridge let’s to escalate to step 3/5,but it doesn’t mean that it makes the person trespassing valid.Meaning that you can beat/kill/stun her without asking to leave,though it doesn’t mean you can leave her to rot In bridge for the rest of the round

i mean yea you can speed scalation, but you canot full on blow remove from round, maggot WAS 300% valid, i was not.

Did you forget the part where I said they are usually antag? Because you look like an antag when doing that, which means that they aren’t gonna get you healed.

Usually antag?I mean 10% of crew are always antag you can just kill random people as well,since theres a decent chance they’re antag.Bad argument tbh

“chance of being an antag” will get you banned doe—

Yikes what a dumb ban.

Admin team lacks any self control and wants to see the largest ban length possible. A year.

as far as I can tell the only person getting a huge and continuous pushback like this is cerebral. We have some good mods, like Ruko and Sumter

NOT A BAN. It’s a note! The note expires in a year.

Wasn’t a ban it was a 6 month note for over-escalation. Here’s some logs:

What was said before during and after the murder(Bastian didn’t say anything):

[2020-07-28 04:42:31.250] SAY: Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) “bruh” (Bridge (105, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:33.640] EMOTE: Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) gasps! (Bridge (105, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:35.055] EMOTE: Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless… (Bridge (105, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:35.057] GAME: Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) has died (BRUTE: 216, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0.666667, CLONE: 0) (Bridge (105, 134, 2))

Here are the attack logs(showing Kate not attacking in any way):

[2020-07-28 04:42:19.172] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (113, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:19.172] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (113, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:19.611] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (109, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:19.611] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (109, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:19.613] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (109, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:19.613] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (109, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:20.068] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [reinforced wall] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (111, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:20.068] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [reinforced wall] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (111, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:20.714] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (117, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:20.714] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (117, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:21.197] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (119, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:21.197] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (119, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:21.732] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (115, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:21.732] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (115, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.214] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (110, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.214] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (110, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.484] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (107, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.484] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (107, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.788] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (107, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.788] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (107, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.789] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (107, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:22.789] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (107, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:23.263] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [reinforced wall] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (111, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:23.263] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [reinforced wall] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (111, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:23.978] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (114, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:23.978] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (114, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:24.436] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (113, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:24.436] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has shot Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (113, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:24.498] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (113, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:24.498] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (113, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:24.839] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (111, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:24.839] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Bridge (Bridge (111, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:28.066] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 76) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:28.066] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 76) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:28.899] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 52) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:28.899] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 52) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:29.742] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 28) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:29.742] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 28) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:30.589] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 4) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:30.589] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 4) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:31.400] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -20) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:31.400] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -20) (Bridge (106, 135, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:32.328] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -44) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:32.328] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -44) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:33.195] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -68) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:33.195] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -68) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:34.105] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -92.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:34.105] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -92.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:35.060] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -116.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:35.060] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -116.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:35.978] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -140.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:35.978] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has attacked Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) with fire axe (Wielded) (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -140.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:45.577] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has grabbed Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) passive grab (NEWHP: -140.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:45.577] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has grabbed Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) passive grab (NEWHP: -140.7) (Bridge (106, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:52.158] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has grabbed Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -140.7) (Bridge (118, 134, 2))
[2020-07-28 04:42:52.158] ATTACK: Bastian0930/(Sebastian Derancla) has grabbed Kate bishop/(Kate Bishop) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -140.7) (Bridge (118, 134, 2))

What exactly do you want with this note? If you want it fully removed I can’t do that. The rule clearly states

IF they go completely hostile (Attacking first and non-stop), they use a weapon or come back to your workplace for a 3rd time (or with a weapon such as a baseball bat), you may validly kill them.

Kate never even left the bridge with the fireaxe before you murdered her in 10 seconds or so. You even disabled her to keep her from escaping. You then took said fireaxe and murdered her with it. It just seems weird considering you had all the opportunity to just take the fireaxe and brig her like you did afterwards. Just stop at crit next time to be safe. Validity is a very grey area.