Multiple unknown ckey player report

[Amazung]

@DarnTheMarn

So you see someone getting beat wordlessly (it’s been established by both the mailman and warden that this was not the case) your solution is, to beat them wordlessly?

yes, since the beating was being unfolded before me?

@DarnTheMarn

That was what the warden was doing.

That’s what I was doing too.

@DarnTheMarn

No, but it helps add context to the claims I’ve made

you say it doesn’t but you’re still asking for answer if its powergaming or not.

@DarnTheMarn

If someone isn’t RPing, has acquired a decent amount of weaponry, has extra peripheral gear, maybe they might be a problem.

If they acquire them “just in case” and not for doing their job and responding accordingly to threats then yeah, they might be a problem.

@DarnTheMarn

Thats where you were, in the brig. Got taken to the brig right from the vacant comissary.

And I was healed in brig by brig phys after incident I believe.

@DarnTheMarn

You must be disingenuous or have really poor reading comprehension. Pushing past someone and barging past someone are different words for the exact same action.

Did You know that synonyms may mean the same thing but may change the tone of the sentence?
Pretty wild.You literally used different wording for someone’s sentence. Especially since pushing in this context sounds significantly worse than original statement.
Also Ad personam noted, thank you.

At this point i will not engage further since this discussion descended to basically throwing shit at each other.

No peanut.

[DatBoiTim]

@Amazung

Maybe stop puting words into other peoples mouths? where does he say i pushed him?

Yeah, you just walked through me. You could not have done it that way you were on disarm intent(which would be needed for any shoving).

[DarnTheMarn]

@Amazung

yes, since the beating was being unfolded before me?

It has been established multiple times by two separate parties that they were not being beat wordlessly. You just assumed they were. You should be hashing this out with the warden since they have more issue with it than I do as you can tell from the first thing they posted here.

twas me the Warden tearing my hair out trying to get Kane specifically to stop being a pain.

That’s what I was doing too.

Assaulting your superior and stopping them from doing their job is not enforcing space law, it is breaking space law.

you say it doesn’t but you’re still asking for answer if its powergaming or not.

I specifically excluded R2 no power gaming from the report since I wasn’t sure if it was broken or not so I don’t see your point here.

If they acquire them “just in case” and not for doing their job and responding accordingly to threats then yeah, they might be a problem.
And I was healed in brig by brig phys after incident I believe.

Is your job healing people? That’s what first aid kits do. If only there were a specified job in the security department whose designated job is doing just that.

Did You know that synonyms may mean the same thing but may change the tone of the sentence?
Pretty wild.You literally used different wording for someone’s sentence. Especially since pushing in this context sounds significantly worse than original statement.

This is semantic but barging definitely implies more force than pushing, my word choice was fine.

Also Ad personam noted, thank you.

Please point out where I attacked you as a person. The closest I can see is when I said you must be disingenuous or have poor reading comprehension.

[WhereAmI]

Maybe time to stop arguing about semantics and tossing in debate terms and instead wait for an admin to get to this rather than bloat it to 40+ posts?

[Amazung]

@DarnTheMarn

It has been established multiple times by two separate parties that they were not being beat wordlessly. You just assumed they were. You should be hashing this out with the warden since they have more issue with it than I do as you can tell from the first thing they posted here.

Yeah, we already covered that. Even happened suddenly, got wrong idea, jumped to conclusions and started beating mentioned “mean” warden. I believe i did not escalate the situation since i responded within reason of escalation policy.

I was (in my point of view) trying to rescue rather harmless IPC mailman. there was no attempt from him to defend himself. This looked for me like unnecessary escalation according to escalation policy. In my view it could be done without escalation.

Its not the sort of “shoot first ask later” we experience frequently as blasting bad guys into submission without talking.

1. Non necessary escalation is unlawful
2. I was not fully aware about unfolding situation.
3. I acted hastily to prevent further harm.
   In my oppinion one thing i could do better was to ask/pull/shove warden instead of batoning him.

Then yes I might have acted to hastily and I’m sorry about that. All i can say is, it was not done in bad faith.

@DarnTheMarn

Is your job healing people?

There are jobs that have an IC reason to keep basic medical supplies despite not having “healing people” in their job description. Those are Miners/explo crew/security. Their jobs puts them at risk of incidents that may result in harm and have IC reason to heal themselves/buddies and possess healing equipment. You wouldn’t run to medbay every time you cut your finger with a knife as chef and need a band-aid.

@DarnTheMarn

This is semantic but barging definitely implies more force than pushing, my word choice was fine.

its that specific word that relates to game mechanics, thats making it sound different.

@DarnTheMarn

The closest I can see is when I said you must be disingenuous or have poor reading comprehension.

Yeah, telling how disingenuous I am instead of explaining the topic, how would we call that one?

@WhereAmI

Maybe time to stop arguing about semantics and tossing in debate terms and instead wait for an admin to get to this rather than bloat it to 40+ posts?

I was already writing this before this one appearing, but felt I had to reply to this.
I will not further engage in that report.

[Haliris]

Yeah this is really bloated, although some responses by some players here tell me a lot already. I’ll try to resolve this tonight, however there’s one thing I don’t understand:

@DarnTheMarn

Offender’s In-Game Name: Kane Semenov, G3rm, possibly another whose name I forgot

I only see Kane Semenov and G3rm being reported in the description of events and subsequent messages, I don’t see a third party involved.
Is that a mistake on your part @DarnTheMarn or did I miss anything?

[DarnTheMarn]

The third party was this part:

A security officer who if I recall correctly was G3rm but it might have been a human officer who wasn’t Kane

Since I wasn’t sure the flasher was G3rm but I knew it wasn’t Kane. From what was said it looks like it was G3rm though.

[Howluinb31153]

Just chiming in to say that multiple CKEY player reports are an absolute nightmare for admins to deal with and thus make them much longer before being resolved. Don’t hesitate to make multiple reports for each person you think broke the rulesw they will be handled much better that way

[Haliris]

Kane Semenov

This report is fairly straightforward, you have one person not being in character among roleplayers, a situation that can only lead to strife and angst as parties aren’t playing the same game.

@Amazung

“defiling” such gimmick by nonlethaly beating mailman was inacceptable for me and i was trying to explain it to you, nonlethaly batoning you as punishment beforehand.

This right here is an OOC motivation, not a character one.
You didn’t say anything to the warden, you just assaulted him and started a fight, only then later giving the weakest possible excuse to justify such an escalation, there was no setup and no escalation, just a brawl motivated OOC.
This is then suggested later on by you screaming “chaplain bad” several times, even when you aren’t under pressure.

I don’t really care about whether or not you had one or two lasguns on you, or the entirety of medbay in your backpack, here the issue is a mindset oriented one. You simply cannot roleplay if you aren’t in character, because at some point you will run into an issue like this one.
Had this been properly roleplayed by people in character, you’d have taken the time to setup the conflict with warden, and properly expressed a character.

Here, the opposite happened, you started from what you wanted to do as a player and sticked to that, this is below our standards.

Being in character is a requirement to pull off RP, there’s just no way around it.

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G3RM
Pretty much all confirmed directly by logs. I believe this is a case of incompetence combined with lack of care or efforts.

The torture arc in brig is way out of line here obviously.

The torture time

	Line 9496: [2023-01-28 21:44:41.227] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has stunned LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9498: [2023-01-28 21:44:43.056] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has stunned LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9515: [2023-01-28 21:44:48.413] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has stunned LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9528: [2023-01-28 21:44:49.959] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has stunned LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9571: [2023-01-28 21:44:56.864] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) Auce/(Flebe Tyronian) with the flash (NEWHP: 47.7) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9572: [2023-01-28 21:44:56.865] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) DatFrostys/(Jacob David) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9573: [2023-01-28 21:44:56.866] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9574: [2023-01-28 21:44:56.867] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) Szczebrzeszyn/(Kane Semenov) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9628: [2023-01-28 21:45:03.149] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) Auce/(Flebe Tyronian) with the flash (NEWHP: 47.7) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9629: [2023-01-28 21:45:03.150] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9630: [2023-01-28 21:45:03.150] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) DatFrostys/(Jacob David) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9631: [2023-01-28 21:45:03.150] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) Szczebrzeszyn/(Kane Semenov) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 122, 2))
	Line 9680: [2023-01-28 21:45:09.369] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) Auce/(Flebe Tyronian) with the flash (NEWHP: 47.7) (Brig (127, 121, 2))
	Line 9681: [2023-01-28 21:45:09.371] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) DatFrostys/(Jacob David) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 121, 2))
	Line 9682: [2023-01-28 21:45:09.371] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 121, 2))
	Line 9701: [2023-01-28 21:45:13.085] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 123, 2))
	Line 9702: [2023-01-28 21:45:13.086] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has flashed(AOE) Szczebrzeszyn/(Kane Semenov) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 123, 2))
	Line 9715: [2023-01-28 21:45:14.590] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has grabbed LocalKraken/(Axel Hawker) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (127, 123, 2))
	Line 9975: [2023-01-28 21:46:16.024] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has primed a [flashbang] with the flashbang for detonation (Brig (127, 125, 2))
	Line 9979: [2023-01-28 21:46:17.497] ATTACK: Merkel/(G3rm) has thrown the flashbang (Brig (127, 125, 2))

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Sidenotes
The chain of command wiki page was cited as support for this report. Please do note that this page isn’t protected, I am only acting on server rules here, mainly R1 accross the board.

As of writing this, the chain of command isn’t part of the rules ad-verbatim. Players through their RP thanks to their characters can innovate and play around with it. I’d totally have been fine with the security officer throwing hands with the warden had it been properly setup, motivated, and acted out by fleshed out characters, that would have been RP. Such situation would likely have not led to a report and treated as fine, or even funny, by the players.

Report Accepted