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In-game report:

CKEY: Darnthemarn

Your Discord: Lost#6344

Offender’s CKEY: Unknown

Offender’s In-Game Name: Kane Semenov, G3rm, possibly another whose name I forgot

Server (Sage or Acacia): Sage

Date (MM-DD-YYYY): 01/28/2023

Round Number: 42455

Rules Broken: R1 (NRP statements, insubordination), R7 (Admittedly mild torture)

Incident Description:

To preface this, I started observing part way through the round so I can’t vouch for everything that happened. I’ll go through things chronologically as they happened and make it clear where things stop being accusations I heard from ghost chat and being concrete facts.

According to dead chat, the brig was entered by a mailman and delivered their mail. From there the impression I got is that the mailman loitered a tad too long and the Warden tried to escort them out possibly with words I can’t say but eventually it escalated to stuns. No problems here. Around this time Kane Semenov sees this, gets upset, and attempts to arrest the Warden. In doing so, Kane stuns Vivyan and the Warden. At some point during or after the scuffle the Warden informs them that this is insubordination. The situation is presumably ended when a lizard security officer comes in and stuns Kane.

Relevant snapshot from the Chain of Command just in case anyone thinks it isn’t insubordination.

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From this point onward, I saw these things myself and can attest to their accuracy.

At some point Axel Hawker is arrested and brigged for 15 minutes. A security officer who if I recall correctly was G3rm but it might have been a human officer who wasn’t Kane then spends a non-trivial amount of time flashing Axel and tosses a flashbang into his cell. Axel and the Warden see this and try to say “Hey, this is torture and not cool.” G3rm then proceeds to basically recreate Kane’s insubordination shot for shot by stunning the Warden who is again saved by the Lizard officer.

Around the same time, Kane gets attacked by the Chaplain and almost dies. During the fight he yells out “chaplain bad” which is NRP but it was during a fight so brevity is fine. The problem arises when he is rescued and put back in the brig and proceeds to say multiple variations of “chaplain bad” even though he has the time to RP and can use any other word other than a synonym for valid.

Additional Information: Shitsec be shitsec, goodsec be goodsec. Kane also had a medkit with bruise packs and ointment in his bag and I really would like a ruling if this is power gaming or not. I would err on the side that it is since if everyone security member can just carry a medkit in their bag what is the point of the brig physician.

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Yeah.

Thank you Darn, twas me the Warden tearing my hair out trying to get Kane specifically to stop being a pain.

For further reference, I had yelled at him as well for basically barging past me into armory to take 2 las guns rather than the 1 egun I planned to give him. Moreover, Kane decided to attack me for using nonlethal force(Leg sweep) to remove the mailbot from brig after instructing mailbot to seek authorization before doing so(this is no judgement to mailbot).

Also shout out to the Lizman who helped each time.

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I witnessed Jacob David the chef being kidnapped by a contractor. He ran at me with a baton, so I shoved him back, took Jacob, and disengaged. I showed Jacob to G3rm, who began arresting Jacob. The victim. So I tell him that he’s the victim. He says he knows. I then tell him that arresting the victim is dumb, and then he says “I dont care”. So I shove him and pull Jacob away. At this point, he whips out his disabler and baton and I shove him back. He eventually gets me after a short scuffle and throws me in a cell for 15 minutes, citing “harassment” and “assault” as my charges.

After a minute or so, he comes back to my cell, and says “Torture time”. Then he beats me with a baton and flashes me a few times. After he leaves, he comes back again, and throws a flashbang into my cell, which causes me to go blind. I then saw him getting arrested at the hands of the warden. After a bit, another secoff lets me out.

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I did also shorten your sentence to the proper space law sentence(5 minutes for assault), largely cause I was more focused on dinging the IPC for the torture and didn’t have time to parse all the stuff about your story.

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aramix, player of EPS-275, IPC mailman mentioned here, will be presenting own perspective below

Perspective up to warden-Kane conflict

I joined round as assistant and went to HoP to get promoted to cargo tech/mailman/delivery boy as per usual
HoP then offered me additional access in order to allow for more efficient mail delivery
went to cargo, geared myself, obtained mail, set off to use my newly gained access to deliver mail to one of the closest places relative to fland cargo: brig
there, both warden and kane had mail, so I proceed with delivery
I go through the brig doors myself and present warden with their mail, which they take
I intend to leave but they call me, so I return and listen to them mention that I shouldn’t have been there in the first place

the following two events, I’m not sure of the order they happened in, but went like this:

  • Kane arrived so I stop paying attention to warden and handed the sec off their mail, as per usual with my character
  • Warden loses their patience and proceeds to stun me, to which I have no complaint both IC and OOC

but after this, kane proceeds to retaliate against the warden by stunning them also, but then the situation prolonged for more than I was expecting
vivyan, brig physician, also arrived, and also appeared confused by the situation, but attempted to stop conflict, getting mixed into it in the process
I try to do the same by bodyblocking, but not to much effect

the conflict escalated further with warden shooting their shotgun at Kane, until another security officer came, and that’s when the situation seems to have calmed down
with that done and gone, I proceeded with my character’s gimmick as per usual, disregarding the incident for the rest of the round

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Heyo.

Firstly, I merely batonged you and tried to cuff you to explain your wrongdoings. Things were prolonged due to vivyan actively interrupting the cuffing attempt.After some shotgun shots and another secoff coming to brig we were over with it, discussing what we should and should not do, came to a conclusion and buried the axe.

The IPC “You got Mail” mailman gimmick was quite frequent in recent days. its basically oriented with primary objective as “deliver mail by any means possible without interrupting anything”. This often lead to some funny situations like delivering mails amidst of a fight.
“defiling” such gimmick by nonlethaly beating mailman was inacceptable for me and i was trying to explain it to you, nonlethaly batoning you as punishment beforehand.

At that time i believe you’ve opened armory, You were not dispensing any weapons, that’s a difference.
I believe i was free to pick up lethal gear, since we had contractors and other threats confirmed to station.

As for G3rm secoff I saw him flash banging cell with cuffed Axel in it. Also I didn’t quite catch the reason he was arrested anyway, but i had to respond to other threats at that time.

In response for [REDACTED] post here earlier:

crying-jessie

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I am aware. I would have outright arrested him if it bothered me, rather than just remove him(or in this case, attempt to do so) from the location.

And again, after instruction, I leg sweeped and pulled him(planning to continue pulling him).

Shutters on Fland do not work. I had to manually distribute via the door. Additionally, I had thrown some equipment(Dragnet) to you already, which should have been enough of a sign that I’m distributing specific items. This is a more minor point anyways.

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I entered brig the moment You were leg sweeping him, thought you done it the moment You spotted him.

well i didn’t quite catch that intent, dropnet is mostly encouraged by someone, sec does not tend to pick it on a whim, since it needs setting up. Thought You meant to tell by throwing, that dropnet was set up and dragnets can be used.

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Firstly, I merely batonged you and tried to cuff you to explain your wrongdoings.

Shoot first ask questions later, good good.

After some shotgun shots

IMO justified, if I was the Warden and some security officer came in and started batonging me while I was arresting someone I would think they are brainwashed or something similar.

“defiling” such gimmick by nonlethaly beating mailman was inacceptable for me and i was trying to explain it to you, nonlethaly batoning you as punishment beforehand.

Access isn’t authorization, they were trespassing whether you like the gimmick or not. Not to mention they are in fact your superior.

I believe i was free to pick up lethal gear

Use your words and ask or listen on comms to see if they said armory was free for the taking.

I entered brig the moment You were leg sweeping him, thought you done the moment You spotted him.

So you entered in the middle of the altercation, not knowing the context, and instantly sided with the mailman? That sounds like meta-friending the mailman or meta-grudging the warden. Why would you instantly side with the person trespassing? It doesn’t add up.

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Nope. In fact I already instructed him.

Scrapper may be an asshole.

Scrapper is not a heartless asshole. Especially to fellow machines.

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I did say a few words but those were something like “what the fuck”. Short exchange of words and the beating ensued soon after.

Metaknowledge my beloved. character can be just very mad you know? since uhm, muh rp.
Also im not blaming warden for shooting me, was more like a warning shot at this point.

He was provided access and authorization by HoP for delivering the goddamn mails. He literally had valid IC reason to be here.

you’re just shouting “skill issue” here at this point. Im here to enjoy a game not to obsessively follow chat and make sure Ive read and memorized every statement on sec channel.

That would be a lie if i didnt knew this mailman player. But I would still beat his ass senseless when he would try to kill warden or steal shit from brig.Warden wasn’t nice to humans as part of his gimmick that shift so i stood up for I-thought-opressed mailman. no lives were taken, no harm was done, we did all roleplay accordingly.

Not really sure when anyone broke Rule 1 at this point. Im also not sure about R7 since we didnt had any quarrel besides that. All went without curses and grudges. It was one and only “bad” encounter with warden.

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Also re: dealing with G3rm

I was brain-damaged/recovering from EMP(Abductors) so I was struggling hard to talk through the situation with G3rm and Axel.

So it was a bit hard to also talk it out, but I lost my patience seeing him flash again.

Just a clarification, the auth generally means the head of the department.

I do security work, so this access vs. auth thing gets very weird, but long story short:

Ensure the person in charge of the area/resource you are accessing approves of access, because sometimes permissions get given when they shouldn’t.

Just so we can get the facts out there, I believe I had shot only once, as you said, to be a warning shot.

Yeah, Marn, I gotta agree, that’s a heavy bomb to drop.

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Security is basically the only department who should know about these items since it’s you know, their job.

He was provided access and authorization by HoP

Was HOP acting captain or ask for permission from HOS? If not, what DatBoiTim says applies and the access wasn’t validly given.

you’re just shouting “skill issue ” here at this point.

Its not a skill issue its an RP issue, from what I heard you were batonging first and acquiring fat gamer loot.

Not really sure when anyone broke Rule 1 at this point.

“chaplain bad” :thinking: You haven’t addressed this part yet.

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out of all details that I forgot, I do remember both HoS and Captain going cryo shortly after me joining the game, which is to say, yes, I believe the HoP was also acting captain

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out of all details that I forgot, I do remember both HoS and Captain going cryo shortly after me joining the game, which is to say, yes, I believe the HoP was also acting captain

Thanks for the clarification. Chain of command does say that Warden has authority over anyone equal rank or below themselves in the brig so you probably should have skedaddled quick after handing off the mail seeing as how they did not want you there.

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Totally, we should abuse that knowledge, this will totally improve the RP.
Its a digress currently, i will not elaborate on that further.

was, but not being aware of it was no reason to slap their knees with a kick on a whim(acording to what i saw, not what truly happened).

I was not actively looking around for any additional gear. I only grabbed guns when being pointed by warden to armory. Grabbed two laser guns to deal with holopara operator and a contractor. Seems pretty valid reason to have them on myself isn’t it?
or just give sec wooden sticks, they should manage with every threat.

woah we got violation of rule 1, 7 and now 2! Whats next? 6? :joy:

is this really an issue? im being knocked over and beaten by three guys and what im going to say over comms when im almost in crit?

“Dear security personnel i require immediate assistance due to violent outbreak of crewmembers consisted of two masked individuals and a chaplain that goes by name Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso.”

Its game mechanics limitation, during emergencies we have to keep comms short, thats it.

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for one, as aforementioned, I would have, but they had more things to tell me for which I stopped

for second, interrupting discussion to deliver mail is part of the gimmick, for which I expect at most IC conflict
if this kind of situation proves to usually lead to OOC conflict or is otherwise outright rulebreaking, I will consider toning down on trespassing for the sake of keeping situation clean

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Totally, we should abuse that knowledge, this will totally improve the RP.

There is a difference between abuse, such using surgery on a suspected ling, and looking closely at a pen to see if it’s a sleepypen or not.

was, but not being aware of it was no reason to slap their knees with a kick on a whim(acording to what i saw, not what truly happened).

They were being non-lethally escorted out after, from the wardens point of view, they were uncooperative. It doesn’t matter if that was their intention or not, it’s a simple fact that the warden was talking to them and they ignored it in favor of delivering mail. The warden has authority over anyone who isn’t a Captain or HOS in the brig and were justified in attempting to remove the mailman.

I was not actively looking around for any additional gear.

You, in the words of the Warden, pushed past them and got two laser guns from the armory and had a partially full medkit on you.

Around the same time, Kane gets attacked by the Chaplain and almost dies. During the fight he yells out “chaplain bad” which is NRP but it was during a fight so brevity is fine. The problem arises when he is rescued and put back in the brig and proceeds to say multiple variations of “chaplain bad” even though he has the time to RP and can use any other word other than a synonym for valid.

:thinking:

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How do I say it, I don’t care if its warden, captain or a CC admiral, if I see no attempt to talk just beating i react. We already agreed it was misunderstanding but you are still pressing charges due to chain of command thingy. Sec is not political police, they deal with anyone breaking space law.

i did not?

Maybe stop puting words into other peoples mouths? where does he say i pushed him?
I entered armory after he pointed to it and opened it, due to shutters on fland he couldnt dispense them, there was no chit-chat i grabbed guns and left fast.

It was first aid medkit, pretty self explanatory? You’re going to report every crewmember obtaining healing nanites/viruses from now on?

Brig phys is mostly responsible for fixing anyone currently present on brig and performing various surgeries like reviving dead secoffs, since their gear laying about in medbay may not be best idea.

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if I see no attempt to talk just beating i react.

So you see someone getting beat wordlessly (it’s been established by both the mailman and warden that this was not the case) your solution is, to beat them wordlessly?

Sec is not political police, they deal with anyone breaking space law.

That was what the warden was doing.

You, in the words of the Warden, pushed past them / barging past me into armory

You must be disingenuous or have really poor reading comprehension. Pushing past someone and barging past someone are different words for the exact same action.

there was no chit-chat

Might be this is a problem.

It was first aid medkit, pretty self explanatory? You’re going to report every crewmember obtaining healing nanites/viruses from now on?

No, but it helps add context to the claims I’ve made. If someone isn’t RPing, has acquired a decent amount of weaponry, has extra peripheral gear, maybe they might be a problem.

Brig phys is mostly responsible for fixing anyone currently present on brig and performing various surgeries like reviving dead secoffs, since their gear laying about in medbay may not be best idea.

Thats where you were, in the brig. Got taken to the brig right from the vacant comissary.