Admin Discord ID: Crossedfall (this is going to be hot )
Ban Type: mute
Ban Length: inderminate
Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 10/27/2020
Ban Reason: Rule 1 break. Do not target other members of the community. Trying to involve other people who have been known to also harass that same person just makes this worse. Continued harassment will result in a full community ban.
Appeal Reason: This mute comes after i pinged wilchen showing a photo of pinkblossom in skyrat who had become a trial mod.
The reason was for ātargeting and harassmentā but is really posting an image one, which dosenāt even ping them, nor mentions their name in the message really harassment ? Specially when it occured ONLY once?.
I have in fact never in the past talked about pinkblossom and they have had a long period of neither joining the server or talking in discord. And this comes after crossed mutes , bans me to delete my recent messages, over something that is neither harassment nor targeting as i have never done it before nor directly to the user and neither any meaningful way.
The main issue it seems crossed took was that i pinged shezza for it, and they both have had a long and troubled past over allegations and such that donāt really belong in this thread. But the point is crossed has rarely ever muted anyone in discord, even less for pinging about someone.
Making this seems like a targeted attack and episode of double standard and coming how he is the host of the server and well respected makes it really hard for any admin to side with me for fear of retaliation or being outshunned.
This is not a joke, iāve talked with admins from now and the past and this was always a fear admins had. And not just me self-victimizing or being a schizoid
This is not a joke, iāve talked with admins from now and the past and this was always a fear admins had. And not just me self-victimizing or being a schizoid
What?
I cant claim to know what conversations you have or have not had, but anyone that wont speak their mind due to fear of āconsequencesā probbably wasnt worth hearing in the first place.
The point about that was that some admins might either fear to speak their minds or be less objective when analyzing the situation. And this is obviosuly going to stir up drama since it has the fucking host muting a somewhat known member of the community. And this isnāt bullshit about the fear part iāve had it myself , and so did other staff members iāve known and know. I dināt want drama over a fucking mute but since crossed is involved its going to come up.
Every time you and shezza talk about pink is to shit on her. I was the one that reported it to them. Stop being an asshole to my friends thank you and good nigth
Do you have anything to back that up ? The only time i ever talked with wilchen about pink blossom was a year ago, and was about the shit that happened between them both surfaced, and from what i found linked to the thread made pink seem like a manipulative person. And this has somewhat happened to me, they have tried to admin shop me before with star citizenās account and always playing nice, from what pink has done they arenāt a saint but neither is wilchen. And i havenāt talked about pink in a long ass time until today.
You are literally disproving what you yourself said, "Every time you and shezza talk about pink is to shit on her. " , and dosenāt constitute in no way as either harasstment or targeted attacks since it was the only time i talked about pink blossom in general in the past.
You knew very well i was going to be muted, and you gave me a 2 point warm which also reinforces that non the less i want to see your response to each of my points.
You have previously been reported by the player in question for harassment, and you have publicly made it clear that you dislike them fairly recently and this trails off further into the past as well.
You come out, pinging someone reported for much worse harassment against them calling to attention to the fact theyāre playing on Skyrat now. I donāt think itās a stretch to see where the warning is coming from.
The warning is justified and it happens to be a mute because of point total - you still have two points from filter bypass that go alongside it to make the three points required for a mute.
Funny considering how in the past i only ever said one thing about them publicly and was simply saying that i thought they were a bad person .
You come out, pinging someone reported for much worse harassment against them calling to attention to the fact theyāre playing on Skyrat now. I donāt think itās a stretch to see where the warning is coming from.
From my personal experience with wilchen they have stopped trying to clash with people who had made accusations about them in the past and such, as an example i was in ss14 vc when a tg player started to stir up drama against wilchen out of a conversation that was completly unrelated to the topic. and not related to tg in any form, i personally told them and they just shrugged it off dināt join the vc to either clash with said person or try to defend themselves. And from what i have observed, wilchen has improved alot when it comes to handling past dramas and leaving things behind. And they know pink blossom was there as they are on the server themselves.
I was just trying to be nice, I donāt play, and even during then, did not play on Bee Station due to me taking a break, which led to me quitting during that time period. You wanted to play Star Citizen and I wanted to show how cool it was I thought it was at the time to you. I very well know of my past and I know that I wasnāt a saint in the past. Iāve been trying to change the past year or two and not be as toxic as I use to be. Offering you a chance to play Star Citizen to experience it was just being a token of kindness, nothing more than that. That is all I will say.
I still do belive that saying how i feel about them dosenāt constitute as harrassment in anyway shape or form and neither should it warrant a warning. Iāve never talked about you publicly and neither have i ever accused you of anything or tried to stir up drama about you with people on beestation. And its ironic how you have accused me of such in the past like crossed said,unfounded accusations that lead to reputation killing.
The two points come from two separate reports, combined with how there is a bit of a long standing history here. To be fair, I could have kept it as one point. This is true, but I felt justified upping it to two for my warning.
Regardless, the warning itself comes from the two provided examples along with what comes off to be an obvious attempt to stir things up further.
Given that I have screenshots saying otherwiseā¦
I am inclined to decline this. You havenāt made any good faith effort to try and patch things up or come to some sort of agreeable end to things. That would have made your case a lot more compelling here.
You havenāt made any good faith effort to try and patch things up or come to some sort of agreeable end to things.
While I agree that accusing pinkblossom of being a groomer warranted a warning, you still havenāt touched the situation the appeal is about.
Which is me simply talking about pinkblossom being a moderator elsewhere
You still dināt provide any reason on how posting the image i did warrants a warning, specially how said āreportā was never talked or discussed with me so i never even knew it happened since it obviously was pinkblossom pmāing you about the situation. Iāve only showed a photo of pinkblossom being a trial-moderator for skyrat saying that ādo you remember them ? this is them nowā.
When it comes to the first situation i was never warned over it, I was never contacted about the warning so if its anything then its a hidden node, if you had ever warned me about it i wouldnāt have touched the subject about pinkblossom. But such warning was never made and 10 days later you come adding it to the warning expecting me to know what i did.
As for screenshot you posted, Ruko covered that point so Iāll just quote them here:
The report was made just before your warning combining both incidents. You were warned accordingly; and you were able to figure it out, so it doesnāt seem like I was too far from the mark here.
I think the incident warrants a point, not an outright mute. The fact it would have been the third point and gotten you muted would have been a byproduct of past issues, not for this alone.
I particularly disagree with giving someone two points even if it was two technically separate instances - it is the first time (on record at least) they would have been warned or asked to stop even if they have done it before. And while I do agree it was harassment and could have gotten bad, it was still fairly mild by the point of intervention.
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