Hi.
I think it would be helpful to make logs accessible for people who have been banned. That gives them better grounds to defend themselves - quoting parts of logs might help make a better case. Maybe even make logs full public, so that others, judging the appeal, can argue against the appealing player by using the same logs.
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That has no effect since admins will have to check the logs again to make sure the banned guy didn’t change anything on purpose.
Well if you put the logs on a site the person appealing can’t change them
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No one can change the logs but everyone can vhange what they post here. This leaves 2 options:
-taking pics of logs (too time consuming for large logs)
-having a system that makes you able to refrence to a log by the line number and such (too time consuming to code)
yeah i think you’re looking at it wrong, people that have access to logs can defend themselves better in a ban appeal instead of just going off of memory. yes, admins will still have to check logs, but they can see EXACTLY what happened that round instead of just trying to remember, and if you get caught lying your appeal will just get rejected anyway. so yeah, it’s a good idea.
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I agree, make the logs public. Player reports would take much less time if we can directly access the logs.
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yea like after the rounds done it auto uploads the entire round log
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I’m usually all for transparency, but I’m against public logs until damn near every action is logged, and we have someone constantly making sure new interactions are logged.
Logs frequently tell a partial story, and some players even deliberately log evade. Ever had someone kill you by dragging you over glass? Log only shows you being grabbed with the health you had before being stunlocked/killed via glass shard on the floor.
Public logs will facilitate witch-hunting on partial or twisted representations of what happened as well as furthering log evasion by players who think being able to get away with something means you can do it.
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Player Reports are entirely dependent on logs already, so why not let people view the logs?
Logs that are relevant to the player reports and bans are always pulled and presented by admins as it is, it’s just a matter of waiting for an admin to get them as opposed to the alternative downsides I mentioned above.
@Antiloompa mentioned wanting to see the logs, and I pointed out that they were already posted in the player report and posted them again in the ban appeal. I just realized they were also the player who started this thread, so perhaps some teaching is in order:
Click the triangle to the left of this text, then go re-read the player report and ban appeal to find that I did post the logs in both
And then logs will pop down
just like this message did
it makes our posts much cleaner and easier to get through.
I want logs to that when somebody is breaking the rules, I actually confirm it’s them and that is what actually happened. Most of the time, I don’t report people because I can’t confirm it and don’t want to look stupid when I throw a report and then “well aktually” - admins. That’s why I’m in favor of logs being public. I’m fine with those downsides, because then if there’s missing details such as being dragged on shards even in a player report, it’s still a he said vs she said, if you’re right.