CKEY: Fluka161
Your Discord: Fluka#9917
Offender’s CKEY: Blahblah21 **EDITED BY ADMIN**
LRP or MRP server: LRP
Offender’s In-Game Name: July Ward
Date (MM-DD-YYYY): 04.17.2020
Round Number: 14766
Rules Broken: 2 and 4
Incident Description:
July Ward (Doctor) tortured and killed me, Fluka (Janitor). it started out with just her being mean to me for no reason, stealing my janitor stuff and threatening to kill me if I get close, and saying “suck my dick” when i asked why. She attacked me, then slipped, so I took the knife and hit her back, but I can’t really fight so she crited me, healed me back, tied me up, muffled me and talked down on me about how I shouldn’t have attacked her back and said that people who annoy her die. Asked for last words, took my radio away so I couldn’t call for help and continued to kill me slowly while insulting me in a very degrading way. The whole thing lasted about 10 minutes and was really unpleasant.
I just assumed it’s some antag who is really enjoying their role of a sociopath but it turned out she wasn’t even evil.
I’ll handle this one. Just let me take a look at some logs and I’ll edit this comment.
Added offending CKEY to report
From a preliminary perspective, I can see that after she told you not to enter the kitchen, you shoved her a couple times, she stabbed you repeatedly, you got one stab in (validly, I might add. She was trying to end your life) and she nearly finished you off. After being dragged to medical and healed, she does in fact straightjacket and muzzle you, only removing the muzzle and your headset to hear your “last words” before she removed your brain.
In my opinion, this was definitely overescalated, as July had no reason to injure you up until you stabbed her once, which was valid escalation on your part. The weird straightjacketed incident in medical does reek of overescalation though. I agree that it was really unnecessary. You were effectively held at knifepoint all because you tried to defend yourself. I’m leaning towards calling this self-antagging as well, because I can’t see any valid reasoning for her to be hostile towards you in the first place and take the first swings at you when conflict finally arose.
I’m going to wait on other admins’ opinions on this before making a call.
LRP works on validity. If the chef attacked first without following the escalation rules listed below then it is over-escalation and makes them valid.
If a crewmember trespasses into your workplace/office, you may escalate it in the following order:
Tell them to leave.
If they refuse, contact Security.
If Security is not coming, try to non-lethally remove them (shoving, cuffing, stunning, disabling, flashing, Chef’s CQC, bartender’s shotgun with beanbags, pepperspraying).
IF 3 fails, you may crit them and get them to medbay and make sure that they get healed.
IF they go completely hostile (Attacking first and non-stop), they use a weapon or come back to your workplace for a 3rd time (or with a weapon such as a baseball bat), you may validly kill them.
If the chef was stabbed because they were shoving the trespasser then it is self-antag on the tresspassers part. Which ever is best suited @BrawlerHorde, your call since you’ve already pulled and seen logs.
Once I looked back over this clusterfuck of a situation, I decided that I’m going to leave a note on July’s account about overescalation. Thanks for the report.