Okay so allow me to explain what happened to me.
I was going loud as heretic. Fighting off people until I had to use the blade sacrifice to teleport.
Awful luck. I get the equivalent of a nat 1 and get transported in the middle of the damn AI satellite. “It’s okay” I tell myself as I get shot by the turrets. After a few second, I use another blade I stockpiled just in case of such incident.
Now surprise surprise, I get teleported inside the sat AGAIN, even closer to the AI. Screaming at myself for being so unlucky, I finally use my last blade which… guess what? Teleports me EVEN CLOSER to the AI, 8 tiles up from where I WAS !!
We could say this is just a minor incident that happens rarely, but no, it isn’t, that’s the worst part. Just the day before, as heretic with the rust path, I got teleport 3 times during the round in the bridge airlock passage. several other times in the bridge area like E.V.A room.
Is there anyway to make sure this doesn’t happen? You already sacrifice a blade, and it’s not worth it if it puts you in such dangerous places.
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If you do not agree with the acts of R-n-Jesus, do not invoke their aid.
It’s an act of desperation to break your blade, not a get out of jail card.
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I don’t mind not being in the safest of place. I don’t mind the devilish holy entity that is RNJesus sending me in the middle of command.
I just find it silly that it can happen three times in a row.
The Random lawd above is a silly thing.
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MrEloda
January 30, 2023, 10:32am
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Maybe the random formula is flawed.
Maybe it has a max range in which it can randomly safely place you, which would cause someone to repeatedly be dropped into the AI sat if they’re either in it or near it.
Everyone agrees we need to rework heretics, that’s why we have a PR for it
BeeStation:master ← CydiaLamiales:hereticstwo
opened 10:08AM - 21 Jan 23 UTC
## About The Pull Request
Re-opens https://github.com/BeeStation/BeeStation-Hor… net/pull/6515
Ports and partial ports from the following PRs:
* https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/54252
* https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/64658
* https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/65718 - partial port, mainly the icons and effect rework, not the new path
Gameplay changes:
* The heretic no longer starts with a Codex Cicatrix or a Living Heart.
* Heretics now draw transmutation runes by using any writing tool while having Mansus Grasp active.
* The Mansus Grasp can be used to remove heretic runes.
* While draining influences, people who examine you may get a message hinting that you're interacting with an influence.
* Drained influences can also be dispersed with anomaly neutralizers!
* The Codex Cicatrix is now a researchable item that lets you gain additional knowledge from influences.
* The Codex can still draw and remove runes, and does it faster.
* The Living Heart is now the heretic's heart. Literally. It's the heart in their chest. Their heart takes on the appearance of a living heart, and they can pulse it on demand to track their targets. This makes an audible noise.
* If your heart is lost (you're disemboweled or whatever), you need to do a ritual to regain it!
* Casting any heretic spell (besides Grasp) requires a Focus.
* A Heretic Focus is a neck item they can transmute.
* Heretic robes also function as a focus when toggled up.
* Ascending also disables the need for a focus, because of course.
* Heretics now gain 1 knowledge point passively every 20 minutes.
* Sacrificing has been revamped entirely.
* A heretic now gains four sacrifice targets on spawn.
* One random crewmember
* One member of their department
* One member of security
* One member of command (a "high value" sacrifice)
* You can sacrifice people who are in in soft-crit, hard-crit, or dead.
* Sacrificing someone will cuff them (if they are not), HEAL them, revive them, and set them unconscious. After a short time. they will be sent to a shadow realm. This shadow realm is themed to your heretic type.
* The shadow realm is a 2 minute long survival challenge where the sacrificee is subject to a constant barrage of shadowy hands.
* If they survive, they are teleported back to a random turf with no memory of how they got there. They'll also slur a TON to get the point across.
* If they die, their corpse is teleported back to a random turf on the station.
* No more multi-hearting! Your targets are your own.
* BUT adds a knowledge that allows heretics to reroll their sacrifice targets with a ritual.
* Each path now has a "Rituals of Knowledge". These are randomly generated rituals that may be difficult to complete but awards knowledge points in return.
* Ascending now has some requirements.
* To learn the ascension ritual, you need to complete all of the objective you are assigned.
* The ascension ritual now each have a varied requirement, instead of "needing 3 bodies" only.
* Other minor gameplay changes:
* Lots of balance tweaking.
* Buffed some summons.
* Buffed the Lord of the Night very slightly.
* Nerfed the Madness Mask.
* Put a limit on the amount of blade transmutations possible at once. 3 for flesh, 2 for other paths.
* Logs of BUG fixing.
* General grammar and flavor tweaks all around.
* Admin / code changes:
* Revamped the way heretics appear within the traitor panel.
* You can now easily see who they're targeting for sacrifice and what they have researched
* Also adds some helpful buttons to heretics, like giving them points!
* Refactored much, much of heretic code
* LIKE ALL OF HERETIC CODE WAS IN 4 FILES.
* Split up all the knowledge, spells, and items that belong to the heretic into their own files and folders.
* Not only that, but everything internally was still named "Eldritch Cultist" and similar.
* Almost every mention of "Eldritch Cultist" has been properly replaced by "Heretic".
* Much better reference handling all around.
* General code improvements over heretic stuff.
* Unit tests, because of course.
## Why It's Good For The Game
Heretics are not in a good place at the moment, this much is clear. They've been completely disabled on MRP for this reason.
The reasoning is simple: A lot of murder. There's nothing inherently wrong with an antagonist heavy with murder, but the Heretic really missed the mark. Gib, gib, gib, then ascend so you can keep killing.
In the background, the Heretic was FULL of flavorful spells, rituals, and "lore" stolen from Cultist Simulator that was unfortunate enough to be shackled to the heretic's gameplay loop.
So, this revamp aims to amend that:
Dial back the heretic's focus on mass murder and put more focus on the heretic's interesting flavor. Spooky maintenance rituals, knowledge seeking maniac.
Sacrifice no longer outright kills / requires murder, meaning a heretic can progress without racking up a bodycount. Influence is gained passively over time, so they can spend influence on more interesting side paths. Side paths are required to progress to ascension, so they're encouraged to explore new things. Ultimately, while there still may be a little way to go, this PR seeks to take a good leap in starting it.
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## Testing Photographs and Procedure
Ivniinvi did a bunch of testing over those two days and they're reasonably confident that the bulk of it is working as intended, they do think that this should definitely be testmerged before a fullmerge.
<details>
<summary>Screenshots&Videos</summary>
Drawing a rune with a pen and the mansus grasp active :
Sacrifice tracking :
Knowledge sheet :
Successful ritual :
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215124048-c64fb2b3-2a79-4eb2-b8e7-fc54481e50db.mp4
Entropic Plume + Argessive Spread + Mansus Grasp on an object
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215124125-ca8b540a-020b-4619-a735-20bcabf0bf7b.mp4
Mansus Grasp mark and effect :
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215124270-a1c390f9-ec52-4c54-a3cd-62334feaa4b8.mp4
Sacrifice and the trip to the dimension :
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215124381-3f3e800c-445a-4671-a5e5-d5d3aee43d8b.mp4
Successful escape :
Unsuccessful escape :
Harvesting a pierced reality and it slowly visualizing :
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215131089-547343ac-471a-413a-9ae9-bb38358d1ec9.mp4
Harvesting a pierced reality with the Codex Cicatrix and destroying it with an anomaly neutralizer :
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215131208-3e3add8e-ebbf-4845-8673-f391af0bd804.mp4
Text for destroying the pierced reality with an anomaly neutralizer :
Void's dimension :
Void Cloak :
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215131301-d32a8bf6-f601-42c8-9dd4-bf1579b0d20f.mp4
Void Spells and Mark in action :
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/110184118/215131340-c1ed72f0-307b-4838-9bd8-440d4657438e.mp4
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## Changelog
:cl: Ivniinvi, EdgeLordExe, Melbert, Imaginos, SpaceManiac, ChungusGamer666, AnturK, ZephyrTFA, coiax, Krysonism
add: New heretic path - Path of Void- it specializes in being extremely stealthy.
tweak : Removed curse of blindness replaced with mask of madness. hey it even rhymes.
add: Large scale heretic revamp!
add: The Codex Cicatrix is no longer a roundstart heretic item. Research is handled through an action button. Rune drawing is done by using a writing tool with Mansus Grasp active in your offhand. The actual Codex is an unlockable ritual item now.
add: The Living Heart is no longer a roundstart heretic item - their actual heart now becomes their Living Heart, and it makes a sound when triggered. Losing your heart (being disemboweled) will require you to do a ritual to regain it.
add: The Hereic Antag UI has been overhauled, and now hosts much of their mechanics as well as providing some helpful tips for newer players.
add: Most heretic spells now require a focus to cast. All heretics can make a basic focus necklace, and some heretic equipment also functions as a focus. (Credit to Imaginos for the focus sprite!)
add: Heretics now passively gain +1 influence every 20 minutes.
add: Heretic sacrificing has been reworked. You can now sacrifice people who are in soft crit or weaker. Sacrificing someone heals them, cuffs them, and teleports them to the SHADOW REALM, where they must dodge a barrage of hands to survive. Survive long enough and you return without memory - die, and your body will be thrown back.
add: Heretics now have a few new rituals, including the Ritual of Knowledge, a randomly generated ritual that awards knowledge points.
add: Heretic ascension now has a few requirements - you must complete your objectives assigned to you prior to learning the final ritual, and all the final rituals have been changed a bit!
tweak: Used heretic influences can now be removed with a Anomaly Neutralizers.
balance: Some heretic rituals are now limited in the amount they can make. You can only have up to 2 heretic blades crafted at once (3 if you are Path of Flesh).
balance: The Lord of the Night has been buffed to be a little scarier. Did you know the Lord of the Night can eat arms to regain body parts and heal?
balance: Buffed some heretic summons - mostly their health pools.
balance: Nerfed the heretic's Mask of Madness. It can no longer infinite stam-crit you.
balance: Nerfed the heretic's ash mark.
balance: Nerfed a bunch of on-hit-heretic-blade effects. Many effects only apply on mark detonation now: Void blade silence, flesh blade wounds, ash blade gasp cooldown refund.
fix: Fixed quite a few bugs and unintended behaviors with heretic code.
refactor: Refactored and improved much of Heretic code. Improved the file structure dramatically.
admin: The heretic's traitor panel has been beefed up a bit.
refactor: Refactored cult rune inscribing into a component
refactor: Refactored null rod rune clearing into a component
code: Rust is now a component
refactor: refactor almost all of the rust heretic atom procs
add: Wirebrush for advanced rust removal
add: A new heretic node to replace rust wave: entropic plume.
add: A small rune visual effects appears 70% of the time when a tile is rusted.
del: Removed the rust wave node.
fix: The ash man and rust walker nodes now link to the correct nodes.
add: IPCs who roll heretic now become human with the user's Backup Human Name.
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“Everyone agrees” No
Since I can’t edit anymore without it being weird,
Something wrong with my PR?
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Gilgax
January 30, 2023, 8:52pm
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I’m all for reworking our game modes, especially the heretic, which is a bit murderboney. But is this not a space dragon situation aka porting gamer balancing from TG to bee, to the detriment of RP?
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That’s why I’m asking for a testmerge or two before a full merge. There’s obviously issues I can’t find out while testing on local.
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system
March 31, 2023, 8:55pm
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