Hdpanda banned by Kasual

**CKEY:**hdpanda

**Admin’s CKEY:**Kasual

Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: only one golden lrp

**Which server did the ban happen on?**golden lrp

**Ban Type:**i think its global

**Ban Length:**permanent

Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 2020-05-15 08:11:50

Round ID: #14409

Ban Reason: it was metacoms and apparently lying

Appeal Reason: im apealing because of two different reasons the first is that it says i lied in the bad which i dont understand i talked to the admin once and i dont know what part of it is supposed to be a lie and the second reason is that i didnt think it would be such a bad thing as the server was low populaation and me and my freind were off station mining

Additional Information: i am newer to this sort of thing so i hope i did this all properly and im new to beestation its my favorite place to play on and im extremely upset ive ended up on one of the nicer admins bad sides i made sure to interact with others if talked to and generaly avoid trying to cheat the game i was just trying to have a round off station with my freind before we both logged off for the night im sorry for breaking the rules i didnt know how serious it was if the ban cant be revoked i understand thank you for your time.

I’ll support what I’m saying with logs when I get home, but the situation was explained to me as follows:

  • Kasual suspected metacomms due to excessive cooperation without words exchanged
  • Kasual checks chat logs and finds one of you has never spoken at all and the other only to other players
  • Kasual admin teleports one of you off of escape shuttle and the other bee-lines to their exact location
  • Kasual bwoinks and the metacomms accusation is denied

Does some part of this sound incorrect?

it all sound correct to me exept for denying. i didnt say i didnt metacomm, i admitted to it and said i didnt think it would be a major issue because only around 13 people were playing and we were off station on lavaland i dont understand were i could have said i did not if it came across as denial i am again sorry i very much dont enjoy that ive broken rules like this. sorry for bad punctuation.

I’ll get the logs of the exchange when I get home (2 hours or so), he just went to sleep and I know he was running out of steam when he handled the situation.

I can, however, tell you that metacomms is a form of cheating, especially when used to communicate locations and help each other recover from death. It’s something we permanently ban for in most cases.

i understand that its considered a form of cheating just didnt think it was something super serious we were mostly just running around talking and having some fun when we went to the shuttle it was a bit of a mess because i drank too much beer and my character was unable to walk to the shuttle so we were trying to get to it before it left and i hope i didnt cause him too much trouble if he was already that exhausted. i dont even need an exact ban lift id take a ban with a time limit i just really dont want to not be able to play on my favourite server and i can say it wont happen again i really dont want to cause trouble like this if its late for you i can leave this for tommorrow as well dont want to obstruct anyone’s sleep.

You’re not obstructing anyone’s sleep, I’m up this late every day and he already went to sleep lol

It’s going to take until tomorrow at minimum though because @Kasual has final say on the matter. You can wait for me to get logs and give more input after them if you want. All I can do is read logs, take what both sides have said and offer an opinion.

can do id appreciate advice i have no experience with bans or appeals.

CyberNeticStorm

[2020-05-15 08:09:23.344] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix): You do know that metacomms are against server rules right?
[2020-05-15 08:09:28.333] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): What?
[2020-05-15 08:09:43.012] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): I'm not metacomming?#I'm very confused.
[2020-05-15 08:09:43.662] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix): You are speaking with Koss out of game
[2020-05-15 08:09:56.737] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix): And you knew I teleported them to the chapel how?
[2020-05-15 08:10:06.472] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix): They havent spoken a work once this round
[2020-05-15 08:10:20.806] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): Oh. Won’t happen again, then.
[2020-05-15 08:10:51.459] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix): Especially after lying light that it has to be a ban
[2020-05-15 08:11:12.264] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CyberNeticStorm/(Debora Pheonix)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): That's fair. For how long?
[2020-05-15 08:12:16.848] ADMINPRIVATE: kasual/(Kasual Greene) has created a global permanent server ban for Hdpanda. Reason: Metacomms with CyberNeticStorm for game advantage. Lied at first.

hdpanda

[2020-05-15 08:09:26.582] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kasual/(Kasual Greene)->Hdpanda/(Koss Lacon): You do know that metacomms are against server rules right?
[2020-05-15 08:10:42.131] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hdpanda/(Koss Lacon)->Kasual/(Kasual Greene): metacomms? im about to go to bed on an almost empty server i know there not good and i avoid it like a plaige sorry bout that just wanted a little off station fun before the end
[2020-05-15 08:11:53.495] ADMINPRIVATE: kasual/(Kasual Greene) has created a global permanent server ban for CyberNeticStorm. Reason: Metacomms with Hdpanda for game advantage. Lied at first.

Hard to form an opinion since you didn’t respond until after your friend had basically sealed his coffin by lying and had already been told he was being banned, but you didn’t actually lie in the ticket yourself.

I wouldn’t go for less than a month currently, since there was evidence of the metacomms being used for a round advantage while mining, not just with the adminbus to test for metacomms.

Edit: nevermind I’m a moron, fixed the two logs

i was probobly after because of how long i took to figure out that i had been i think its bwoinked or whatever they call it ive talked to him as well and i dont think he meant to lie but i think he realises that what he said was lying i hadnt thought about the mining advantage definetly my bad and i can get ahold of him to say his side if needed id just very much like to know were i can go to get all the rules to avoid this sort of thing if i do get non perma im still learning this game i havent exaclty learned how to talk at best i can chat i dont exactly understand the comms but i will definetly try to avoid this sort of stuff if i do

edit: something i think i should mention as well is that me and my freind both thought that metacomms was less severe than the no tolerance if that makes any difference thought it was more of a hey thats not really allowed than an absolute you must not thats our bad for not looking up rules to everything.

Admitting that you knew it was a problem definitely doesn’t make your situation better, regardless of how you thought the rule-break would be punished.

I just want to personally apologize for lying when I was immediately asked. Saw an admin, freaked the hell out and denied. My instinct with authority is to shy away and freak
Really wasn’t my intention though to cause an unfair advantage, but looking back that is in fact what we got long and short, especially with mining.
Pretty sure he didn’t do much wrong, I was the one who lied and threw us both under the bus in the end, so I’m sorry for that.

ok im gonna put this here as a more gathered up pool of my apeal after ive now read up on rules and learned things that i didnt know before. ill do whatever deemed neccesary to end up not banned permanently im not saying i dont deserve ban time but we both didnt understand the rules fully and thought it was mostly a harmless thing when i now know that there is a no tolerance policy on metacomms and while we did it we harmed no other player to my knowledge and stayed off station to try not to interfere with other players round we only fought ai monsters in lavaland and mostly just came to help each other and explore i know now that if your playing with a freind you should admin help first to make sure that sort of thing is ok i have also had no other prior offences and am newer too this we have both read up on the rules and even the rulings page i really enjoy this server and would love to be able to continue to play and avoid breaking anymore rules in the future i definetly deserve bantime as i wasnt teaching my friend anything we were just running around lavaland mining for the station im a bit twisted up about this as ive never been banned from anything before so if i make mistakes in this i would appreciate advice.

Some people think metacomms aren’t that bad, and when purely explaining mechanics and still IC conversing in game it isn’t. You were only talking to each other through out of game means, and acted on it in game which is very bad.

You were able to be a far, far more effective mining team when fighting megafauna than any one else could have been if using in game communications. While the game isn’t necessarily balanced, that much of an advantage is bad. It also prevents IC situations and mistakes from happening, like being downed outside of sight from your friend and not being able to radio them. That prevents the intended mechanics of requiring GPS trackers and searching with the normal threats of lavaland.

However that is not the biggest problem with metacomms in this instance. The thing that it really screws up, even in this case with low pop, is how effective traitors can be against you. Even in an isolated place like lavaland with a role that does not interact with others much, you may still be an objective for a traitor. This game is built for an unlimited amount of ways to get information and approach objectives.

With you never talking, there is no way a traitor could listen in and gather information on where you are and what you are doing. They cannot subdue your buddy and impersonate them since you would immediately be talking and exposing an impersonation attempt like that. If they wanted to seperate you two and then quietly kill one of you, that would not be possible since you are constantly sharing information. Taking down tcomms to prevent you from communicating is also invalidated because you were cheating.

If you didn’t know metacomms were bad that is fine, however lying immediately shows that even while it may have been a panic, you knew it was at least a little but against the rules. When dealing with two people who are metacomming, I treat both of their responses as a team effort. He had just knew exactly where you were when I teleported you, so it means that you were also sharing every part of the bwoink. You did not respond until after I called the other person out for lying and they admitted it. Yes you didn’t personally lie about it, but if you had not fell for the trap, and continued lying, I doubt that you would have admitted to it after the fact.

All that said, I do not like seeing people who want to genuinely enjoy the game banned. Between the two of you and your 170 hours, there is only one minor note. I understand if you were in a panic you have have acted quickly. With that as a consideration I do not think a perma is needed, however in the interest of fairness for other players who get banned for the same thing, a ban is still warranted.

Most likely willing to reduce to 2-4 weeks, but curious what other @GameAdmin s think about it.

And as a side note, one of you were a traitor and completely ignored objectives. That again affects the round and gives the rest of the station less to do, although isn’t really against the rules. If you don’t want to be an antag, disable it in your preferences.

This wasn’t a case of metacomms purely for the sake of teaching, but was used and proven to be used for in-game purposes. And regardless of how apologetic/panicked they were, it still came down to one of them lying initially (and I highly doubt the other wasn’t in the loop with the first one’s ticket).

No other major issues on record combined with the above warrants another chance, but my recommendation remains at a month for the sake of consistency compared to how we’ve handled similar cases where another chance is given.

wow i really hadnt thought about how bad it really is to do makes me feel alot worse about the whole thing i dont have any desire to not be punished for it with a ban that definitely not a point id argue but on his response i didnt even know he had even been messaged by you until he mentioned it to me and when i saw the logs i found out he also lied which is ridiculous i have never not followed most rules for my whole life and i mostly just wanted to play wiht a friend but i understand now that its entirely not fair to the rest of the players in the round thanks for the consideration and i look forward to playing again your server is my favorite.

Gonna to accept the ban appeal as a reduction and lower it to a month for both you you.