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Admin’s CKEY: Archanial
Is this for both servers or just one? If so, which one: Both
Which server did the ban happen on? Golden LRP
Ban Type: Note
Ban Length: N/A
Ban Date (MM/DD/YYYY): 11/21/2020
Round ID: 24254
Ban Reason: Note for antag conduct
Appeal Reason: Note was given for conduct in a role not listen on the rules page
Additional Information:
I was noted for antag conduct despite my role (heretic), not being bound to the antag conduct guidelines as per Rules - BeeStation Wiki, which is both the official rules found on beestation13.com and linked in the in game rules UI button.
I don’t feel like this should be in my admin remarks as not only is it unwritten rule enforcement, it is unwritten rule enforcement on a solo antag role on the LRP server. If in the future the rules page is updated, this looks poorly on my conduct and is in fact an ex post facto remark.
Archanial made references to the wikipedia for further reference, to which I responded that it is not referenced at all in the rules page, and additionally, contradicts his judgement: (Rules - BeeStation Wiki)
This also applies to other antags with “stealthy” forms- hivemind, devil, etc. They may only murderbone when they have been revealed.
By the time of the delamination there were pierced realities in visible public places and the station being turned to rust by a rust path heretic.
Additionally, as my objective was to kill and sacrifice 1/5th of the current server population (5 out of 26 server connections, not all of them active players), I believe it can be very reasonably argued that my objectives did include mass murder and/or destruction.
With the sum of my arguments in mind, please read the logs and decide for yourself whether this judgement was reasonable or not:
Admin PM from-Archanial: Why did you tesla delam?
PM to-Admins: I’m an antagonist. From what I understand the LRP antagonists arent restricted like on MRP?
PM to-Admins: The tesla doesnt gib people so I can get some easy sacrifices in
Admin PM from-Archanial: They are, you need to complete half of your objectives and one of them is to protect someone
PM to-Admins: From what I see protecting him can be part of the half that I dont pursue cant it? I wouldnt do this on MRP, but what you describe isnt even on Rules - BeeStation Wiki
Admin PM from-Archanial: Traitors, Blood Brothers, and Changelings must complete half of their objectives before engaging in mass murder/destruction.
PM to-Admins: Heretics are none of those things
Admin PM from-Archanial: Rules - BeeStation Wiki An independent antagonist with a set of objectives must complete at least half of their objectives, rounded up, before murderboning. Having a Hijack or Martyr objective allows an antagonist to murderbone indiscriminately.
PM to-Admins: I wouldnt say a loophole. Heretics arent the only antags that arent listed with minimum objectives in LRP. Revs, cults, etc are all allowed mass destruction if it doesnt grief their teammates. If youre looking for a judgement Id ask that it be for future rulings and not a ruling on my conduct as what I did wasnt against the rules as theyre written.
PM to-Admins: My rataionale and requst still stand. Theres nothing mentioned about heretics having minimum objectives on the rules page that is listed on the website and in the rules tab in the game UI. If youre asking for a second opinion it should be to update the said rules page, not to discipline me. Id be welcome to join the discussion on the forums with you if youre like to create a thread for the community to chime in on future cases.
Admin PM from-Archanial: I don’t want to delay further with only one ticket. This should be antagonist ban but I am going to rule 1 this example. I will push for the page to be updated but keep in mind future admins may not be so lenient and the rules listed in antagonist conduct on wiki apply as well. With all that said I will note you and close the ticket.