CKEY: rublax
Your Discord: steff#9146
Offender’s CKEY: dallen9
LRP or MRP server: lrp
Offender’s In-Game Name (if relevant): not relevant
Date (MM-DD-YYYY): 05-11-20
Round Number: don't remember
Rules Broken (if relevant): not sure
Part of Admin Conduct Broken (if relevant): not sure
Incident Description: was playing as hos, recently promoted. I'm running around the station when I come back to security and see the HOP being robbed by an assistant (Rebel Trouble). I try to use my stun gun but miss all my shots because I'm balls with guns
anyways, I try to chase after him with my only other weapon, a fireaxe. since fire axes are pretty epic for cutting off legs now, that was my plan. the assistant ran out of sec and lubed the floor. i slipped because lube and wallslams are op as hell, and he takes the axe and murders me. he then gibs me. Despite me never even touching him with the axe.
I make an ahelp and Dallen said its valid because “if you use lethals, he can use them back” which according to a seniormin I talked to, is not true
Additional Information: a seniormin told me to make a report after I was in the assistants shoes and did something similar
You shot three tazers at him and pulled out a fireaxe. Your intentions were clear. You were also not the HOS you joined as an assistant and rebel knew that.
chasing someone with a fire axe and claiming you were going to remove his legs. Pretty sure he would also assume you are trying to kill him so he killed you and gibbed you to prevent you from killing him. Makes sense especially if he was antag
Rebel Trouble here. Several things false here. I was not robbing the HoP, I was killing CMO for trying to syringe gun me with dangerous chemicals. He even hit me once with a syringe but I had charcoal so it was ok. Secondly you used your gun. THEN grabbed the axe from me AND a shotgun which you busted a few shots at me with. I lube security maintenance since I knew you were going to try to get close to me with the shotgun, you fall and I take the axe from under you and kill you with the HoP doing a horrible job of saving you. HoP ends up chasing me around and proclaiming he would kill me if I went near him even though I tried to tell him CMO and HoS(you) attacked me first. I end up saving HoP from a traitor later on and he says he was wrong about me. I then tried to revive only you (since CMO had left) ,when shuttle was 4 minutes away but cloning was acting unusually dumb.
I did rob you though.
Also WAY MORE importantly, even if he was real HoS it would still be valid to kill him for using lethal intent on me right? I was told this from a head admin which I have screenshots for and can provide after some history digging if needed. I was also told anyone trying to shoot you with a syringe gun is valid to you on LRP which I do not have a screenshot for but I remember the admin I believe.
OH SHIT THIS MAY BE THE WRONG SITUATION AND ANOTHER SITUATION I AM TALKING ABOUT. Going to leave this here just in case but if this is not the same situation I think I also remember a situation like this that may be this situation if that makes sense
i had no shotgun so ur thinkin ab something else but there should be a ruling ab this because a seniormin told me to make the report but u said headmin said its fine so idk
Ok so I am 100% sure this is the round where you tried to taze me to no avail. You then grab the fireaxe and try to hit me but instead hit vent pumps chase me out of brig and you slip. I kill and gib. Yeah pretty self explanatory, you try to shoot me and fireaxe me. What did you expect?
Also, you have no fucking idea how much history I went through to get this, be thankful for this ree
~Do not mean to use your name again Kasual since last time that happened it turns out you were wrong but to me, you are still a trustworthy admin to me and I doubt this is wrong~
Do not ask me a random question without context and the copy and paste it in an admin report. Ask me with details if you want an actual opinion.
This situation is validbaiting. We allow validbaiting on LRP, but it makes you valid yourself. MRP validbaiting is not allowed. Doing things that are obnoxious or high crimes with the intent of provoking a harm attack so you can make the person valid to kill is validbaiting.
This report is especially strange since Rublax validbaits nearly every round. He’s built a whole reputation on it in LRP. If he used harm attacks on you once, you are allowed to attack back.
Sorry did not mean to make you angry. I just always want to be ahead of things so I make sure I have the opinion of a higher up admin and I always like to post proof so I ask questions to the head admins not only you. I thought since you guys been admins for a long time you guys should have a general consensus on shit like this. Are you not an head admin? If not sorry for quoting you so much and asking you so many questions, I usually do that to bring ban possibility to a minimum
Asking questions and clarifying things is always allowed, but when you do, give the full scenarios. Especially if you are just asking as a plan to make some report or serious post. Asking out of context, then using my screenshot words as upholding a situation I had not heard of before is a very shifty thing to do. If I remember quickly you stopped responding after I said “But were you actually shot though” meaning you got what you were looking for.
Ain’t mad, just letting you know that a lot of people would look on something like that negatively. In this case, yes I still stand by what I said. Validbaiting on LRP has been allowed since I started playing here. It is very abuse-able, but the point of Golden is to have very mechanical and clear rules. With your actions not requiring roleplay justification, only game logical justification (Think a rule enforce TTT server) this is kinda the way is has to be. Stripping away validbaiting without a thought out replacement would have a pretty big negative effect on the server. If I am allowed as an assistant to break in and steal the spare ID, and the captain is allowed to use lethals on me, then I should no be forced to hands off my keyboard and die.
This also has the added benefit of incentivizing security to use non-lethals in an environment where validity exists. Generally speaking, against non-antags, non-lethals are much safer. A tider cannot harm a sec officer for being lawfully arrested if non-lethals were used against them since harm is what triggers validity.
Ultimately yes, if Rublax used a harmful attack against someone, the person had the right to attack back (only on LRP). In the future, not using buckshot and a fireaxe as your go to security items will prevent this scenario if they are not a traitor.
I did not plan to use it in any complaint or ban appeal form. I wanted to know the general consensus on shit and thought you might have it, which you did but it was still wrong to add you into a situation where your words can easily be manipulated and fucked with. I will continue to ask questions to admins but situations such as this wont happen again unless I have a specific situation. Even if you are not mad, still sorry Kasual.
Anyhow back to the topic on hand, this shit should be locked right?