Its mostly the Trial mods who are ban happy, but it is still relevant. In my personal opinion, many admins punish way to hard for sometimes very trivial things. I also feel that many admins go straight to banning people instead of actually talking and communicating with people and trying to understand why a person did something. We often forget the fact that SS13 servers have tons of rules and because we are humans we will tend to forget things. So to recap, the admins need to work on their communication skills.
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I got banned for beating a corpse(in-game),so I kinda understand his point
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I’m sorry, I try to avoid doing server bans whenever possible, instead opting for applicable job bans. But your specific ban looked like a clear-cut case of BoH bombing which always results in a server ban.
It was only in retrospect after extensive log diving that the details regarding the whole situation became more clear, and even with those details it would have probably resulted in a few days ban in either case.
I hope you understand that some actions are much less tolerated than others.
I believe this occurs for several reasons and has been a trend on this server since I’ve been here.
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The trial admins have a quota to meet and likely wish to get that monthly quota out as fast of possible. Being an admin on games is not fun so they likely learn quickly to just get as much out of the way as they possibly can.
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The fullmins likely give the rookies the work when present letting them handle it more often. This makes it seem like trialmins are going on a banning rampage when in reality the work is being offloaded
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Trialmins do make mistakes. Sadly even those with pretty bad successful appeal records don’t really seem to be held responsible however.
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Fullmins don’t seem to review the evidence. They seem to mostly take the Trialmin at their word which leads to more wrongful bans and thus more successful appeals. There is absolutely no logical reason to the process of them getting permission to ban because everything seems to slip through even quite ridiculous bans sometime. Nor as a Fullmin to my knowledge ever been reprimanded for authorizing even the most absurd of bans.
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The worst rule this community has that sticks out like a sore thumb “Listen to them without argument during the round, but if you feel there is a problem with their actions, report them on the forums afterward.” This is nonsensical and trains admins to feel privileged and correct without having to listen to the person they are accusing. I’ve had several encounters in my time on Bee where I would either ahelp myself or be bwoinked and be told I am wrong only to argue my point and have the admin talking to me realize I am right. Funny enough my note about arguing with admins in ahelp was one of those times and they still left the note. However this no argument is basically nothing more than a pass to ignore any response no matter how clearly it makes your actions justified a bannable offense.
edit One last thought on 4 This practice is so bad I bet (well maybe not now because I am publicly expressing it) That if I teamed up with a trialmin I could play as AI and the Trialmin could accuse me of injecting and purposefully spreading a virus by sneezing and coughing on people and the ban would be granted. Despite being in a role that can’t even happen in. I guarantee you nothing happens to the fullmin that okay’s the ban and the trialmin would likely be punished for revealing just how terrible this needless practice is by so easily tricking them.
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Again with the straw arguments Zoey to stir up drama.
It’s a guideline for activity, not a hard cutoff and as I personally have explained to you before along with ruko it’s a quote of tickets involved in. Not a ban requirement, you could not ban a single person and it would be fine.
Nice baseless assumption.
Forming baseless opinions.
The audit log was open to everyone until yesterday and showed disciplinary proceedings. The admin strike log is still open now and there is also a list of admin notes.
More baseless guesswork. “I don’t see what admins do so they do nothing” ok chief.
There’s only so many times I can point out you just typing “well it seems this because I guess maybe think so”
Not understanding the word logical is the biggest issue here. The logical reasoning being due to the inexperience of a new admin and advice from admins with more, leads to a better resolution of the issue.
To my knowledge
You now know what admins feel and think?
Tickets may come across as accusatory however a massively, cannot be understated, large amount of them are players opening tickets in the style of “he grief ban he” so while we dive for hard evidence the first course is to ask the other person “you grief?”
You’re slightly misinterpreting it there, and from the rest of your post it looks like you’re doing it intentionally.
It is referring to:
When being bwoinked yes if you honestly think you’re right, argue your point. But when the ticket gets closed don’t open up another, and another to say “nou I’m right” when the matter has been declared as resolved including receiving the “your issue has been resolved” red text then…it’s final, resolved one might say.
I had my mind changed I think about 3 days ago by Notmegatron. Admins are people and open to persuasion especially so when accompanied by evidence. DM me for my paypal info.
Little bit of confusion reading this at the end however very accusatory based on the wrong assumptions and wrong conclusions you’ve drawn.
Ok babe.
Stop with the drama in all of your posts in every thread you grace with your presence.
Well, at least you got one thing right hun.
I aim to please kitten.
ERP. Ban Aeder NOW
gggggggg
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It’s kind of hard to communicate what we do in the background. From your point of view you send the ahelp and we claim it and say nothing. In reality, we’re pulling the logs up to understand the situation as best as possible. This takes time, and by the time we come to any sort of resolution you’ve probably moved on with playing the game. I generally don’t tell what punishments I give because well… it’s none of your business to be frank. When a ban is administered you can view them publicly on our website. We punish based on previous notes however, and many of those notes are private. The purpose of ahelp is to get someone with high authority to look at a situation. It’s not there to get revenge or retribution(I kid you not that was a reason given to me before).
TL;DR Don’t get noted a ton and you won’t be banned “harshly”
A-am I allowed to heart this ? Or is that ERP?
UWU
The problem with notes is that they often refer to instances that were proven to not put the player at fault. But the notes remain regardless. Unless you’ve changed policy on that and haven’t told anyone? Right now my notes except I think one were all proven wrong through ban appeals. The grudge against Dimas was legit and I deserved that ban and the note that came with it. But literally everything else I ended up beating in appeals.
Congrats I now like you.
ZOEY HAS A CRUSH ON AEDER AAAAAAAAH
BAN them both
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Assuming the appeals were accepted the notes are edited/deleted. If they’re not you can bring it up in the future that they were rectified.
Too bad our alphabetty spaghetti letters don’t match.
If a ban is successfully appealed it doesn’t necessarily mean that the admin was 100% wrong.
For hypothetical example you maxcap the SM then d/c after.
You get permabeaned.
You then apply on forums stating internet troubles and you didn’t read the rules as you have glaucoma.
The ban depending on time played and making sure this isn’t your 3rd brainafk moment would get lifted. But the note would stay.
This means that although it should not have been a ban doesn’t mean the admin was wrong. And it’s also a record for future reference.
You’re also always able to appeal notes on the forums to discuss and hash it out. Though they are I’d say about 70% for admin reference and 30% sLap on the wrist don’t be a big meanie again for the player.
To appeal a note. Make a standard ban appeal thread but edit it to say note appeal and copy paste whatcha got and we will try our best.
The problem is that it will often take 30+ minutes of log diving to find every piece of evidence regarding a particular event or report, there is simply not enough time to go through all the details in the course of a single adminhelp.
The judgement done ingame will be at best a decent estimate of the events, at worst just a quick overview of the few critical pieces of evidence available.
If we were to do a full-scale investigation into every ticket, the rounds would be delayed from restarting upwards of 30 minutes every time there is an enforceable rules offense.
Many of the bans and notes are meant to be appealed for the simple reason that if you think the action we did was in error, bring in up on the forums, where there is infinite time to discuss and properly resolve the issue.
I don’t know who made that change, but tell them that I love them.
I’ve only seen it happen once… take that as you will lmao.
It’s happened a good handful of times, though it honestly gets overlooked more often than it should.
So how would I go on to appeal my notes at this time? Every single one of this is pre-modern Bee and predates the forum change I think. Maybe not the Dimas one which should be the last one which I deserved anyways but even then I am not sure if that was modern forums.
I also have no way to access my notes at this time and like literally one of this just says something like “joke” or something like that. So to some degree old admins trolled my notes.