More so that it’ll automatically activate during halos. It would allow you to help the unconverted crew, but not during fights and would make you less of a target.
Just make AI convertable and cult can emp AI and TComms to have a wraith drop a tele rune in sat for converter lads to come over and say hi.
Maybe make telerunes block radio in tiles next to them i dunno.
Its just that killing AI is way easier than converting them… maybe twisted construction instead of a rune since ai is propably bolted to the ground.
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Yeah but then the Cultists have a fairly cheap(you just need a Wraith) loyal all-seeing eye that can just bolt-electrify-depressurize their target and sec and it can’t be deconverted and would be a go-to strat for any cultist.
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The root of the issue
So take away the door connection and give it something else, maybe?
Maybe make them one of those red cultist ghosts? Basically still an AI.
i dont think cultists should have access to any type of ai, theyre extremely powerful as is once the ball starts rolling.
In terms of subverting the ai, i think it should be made easier to get the upload code by just removing the announcement if you dont have the proper access, since its hard as is to break into rds office unnoticed.
And to defend against xenos there should just be two valves at the sat entrance so you can prevent them from vent-crawling into sat and killing the ai.
The red cultist ghost is already in the game, this would just be someone dedicated to the role of sharing information with the cult.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHA!! No. Just print the board.
^ Well, that’s why it’s a spell for the blood cultist, they literally become a ghost and can pass information as an AI with the downside of having -1 on the field fighting and i think it costs them something besides standing on the rune.
It’s hard because converting the AI and making them a mob is… bleh?(at least one of the default ones)
And the AI variant would be someone dedicated to the task, much like an AI already is but without the control of station assets.
I second this and do not think it was a good change in hindsight.
An easily and consistently subverted AI is much better than an easily and consistently destroyed AI
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The shoe is on the other foot it seems.
TBH I miss fighting against AIs, it’s a fun part of some rounds.
Now that it’s really annoying to subvert and the alternative is just so much simpler, we barely get that anymore (if ever)
AI subversion nerf revert when?
in all seriousness… i think it was made a wee bit… TO HARSH when nerfing AI subversion
you need to infiltrate RD. but also doing so calls sec and you must stay there for some time while the console screams at the entire station that you are illegaly in RD’s office to get the code. afterwitch you need to either aquire a rouge AI upload board AND a law of your choosing OR break in AI upload
alternatively steal RD’s ID to avoid the RD part.
i mean… some antag objectives are easier than this
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I think the current system could work if un-subverting the AI was as hard as subverting the AI. But right now there’s basically 0 point in subverting instead of killing the AI since they can undo your work far faster than you can work. So you might as well go full LowTierGod on the AI since it’ll come back to bite you if you don’t whether its by the AI snitching, command giving them a gamer law set, or a borg validhunting you.
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i dont think the current system works as its way to much work for the reward it offers.
sure. you get a powerfull AI on your side… but the task it took to achieve that. is hader than any (other than mass murder or shuttle hijack) other nonteam antag objective… is just easier to do on your own… than doing the steps to subvert an AI to help you do it. again you need to break in a highsecurity area/steal a head’s id then risk throwing hands with sec then breaking in another high risk area/make a upload
ironically bloodcult. to whom it may be easier to subvert the AI. its beyond pathetically easy to just kill it instead. spawn revenant.
It’s actually much simpler than that. Get a mining pod capsule, make the pod out in space a bunch of tiles away from the station, print both necessary consoles at RnD, build them on said capsule, use a purge board and a freeform board to get budget rogue laws
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I think that’s the main issue is that it goes both ways the fact that anyone can do it so… freely and easyas long as they have the funny paper(which apparently they can print said machine i thought it was only from the RD office) and you can just print the rest lol even if they go and do that in space or whatever the crew can equally just print the boards and do the exact same thing and undo it.
Idk, i’m personally fine with subversion being rare and hard, otherwise le antag gets their personal big brother with the main difference they can just say ‘‘plasmaflood sec’’ and it’s just… unfun, before the changes to AI subversion that was the typical thing it was either ‘‘KILL ALL SEC AND COMMAND’’ or just ‘‘help X’’ and keep a low profile
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Reason number 5,251 why mining is certified Good For The Game™
It’s like no one read my short guide on subverting the AI… smh