Aeder1 Admin Report

In-game misconduct:

Title: Aeder1] Admin Report

CKEY: fighterslam

Your Discord: fighterslam#3109

Offender’s CKEY: Aeder1

LRP or MRP server: MRP

Offender’s In-Game Name (if relevant): Not relevant.

Date (MM-DD-YYYY): 3/3/2020

Round Number: 13114

Rules Broken (if relevant): Not relevant.

Part of Admin Conduct Broken (if relevant): I don't have access to admin conduct.

Incident Description: Completely ignored a council ruling. I was in engineering, attempting to get tools. I had the AI open the doors, but then the AI firelocked me because for whatever reason it thought I was a cult. The AI still opens engineering for me, which isn't breaking in and isn't considered breaking in, as defined by multiple admins. The CE comes at me with two spears and then proceeds to murder me, as non antag. I ahelp this, and during the ahelp, aeder claims I broke in, was fucking with the engine, and ignored the CE failing to followw proper escalation - decided to straight up murder me with the 2 spears they had for whatever reason, as non antag, and give me brain damage, simply because I was attempting to get tools.
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Again?

Also, link to admin conduct is like publicly available afaik:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQy7PNXb_wkT96JaFOP3HUUiQwf_mJXZTPHccpNjalmPKPtL1IYVG9xYew1HGBFG8UDGYkbhzf39d5E/pub

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again what?
POsT MuSt bE 20 kHaRaKtErS

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Show logs or didnt happen

I have no idea what ruling you are talking about, tresspassing is tresspassing even if the AI lets you do it, however straight up killing with nothing in between is overescalation imo.
However this is based on what I have read, and we have not seen hard evidence or logs yet, so can’t really make a proper opinion.

@Aeder

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I am currently at work and will log dive this after.

It was late into a cult round.
You got the AI to let you into the area by the SM to steal tools from there as an assistant. The AI thought this very suspicious so locked you down till the CE got there. This was due to the strength of the cult on the round at the time, which you and the entire station were aware of. Which I also reminded you of in PM.
The CE took you to crit, not murdered, with spears, after fighting cult earlier in the round, and then immediately lifted and carried you to medbay on his back, and stayed there making sure you got treatment. Directing the doctors to help you as well as the medborg that supervises your aftercare.
Due to getting you in the head with a spear you ended up at the end with 14/200 brain damage, which I believe is less than any amount for any traumas, however with the medborg caring for you as directed it would’ve taken only moments to get it fixed in cryo, but the round ended shortly after.

This is all from memory so I will log dive it when able.

Also if I have missed a ruling on getting into secure areas please link it. As far as I am aware “AI law 2 open captains office” is still counted as trespassing.
Edit : above is an example of trespassing similar to this

Also from what has been said in the OP. This appears to be a report against the player, rather than my conduct since you disagree with the decision at the time.

As far as I can tell according to the conduct rules there are no issues here other than you disagree with the outcome at the time?
@Xlyana agree?

If anything it should be a note on the CE for over escalating. However would have to log dive to confirm.

Access is not authorization, as Ogan loves to say

zesko told me it is, actually
so

If the AI let’s you into the armory, but you’re an assistant, are you allowed to be in the armory?

What’ll happen when the HoS catches you?

the hos will brig me
it’s not breaking into the armory, so

telling me to leave?
asking me why i’m there?
calling sec?
using nonlethal force?
all of these things are perfectly valid solutions
instantly kill and brain damage person?

i guarantee i would be permaed if i killed someone for being in my departtment

And yet I’ve (probably, can’t check) got a note for asking Security to arrest someone who tried to do that when I was the captain.

Rule 1 on the server stating :

If you were given permission by admins to do something once, that does not necessarily mean you can do it again.

To ask again. What part of this report is about myself?

Ironically this is what I was referring to here :

When you didn’t like the result of the ticket you incorrectly opened a report against myself and how I handled it, when in fact you disagreed with the result and should be reporting the player so that a different admin can look at it and come to a decision.

In hind sight from memory only the CE likely deserves a note for over escalating. But will check later.

Being armed late into a cult round is not powergaming - you’re allowed to prep to defend yourself after there’s good reason to believe you need to (Security has been subverted and/or a major threat to the station has been established) Being armed before any reasonable threat has been established is powergaming, because you’re getting the weapons “just in case”.

What alert level was the station at by this point? I feel like that’s relevant to the CE’a escalation. Still very likely this was over escalation depending on the exact circumstances and what may have been said. If the AI knew CE had intentions to harm you I’d also say they were likely at fault.

AI granting access is on Law 2 means it isn’t breaking and entering, but it’s still trespassing if you don’t have the right to be where you are. Theft is also still theft. nothing rule breaking here, just clarifying

All in all I don’t think this is admin report material either. This is a player report where an admin made the wrong judgement (or at least that’s what it looks like without logs).

[2020-03-04 00:26:09.809] SAY: /(Nicole Addison) “arrest petey - cult” (Central Primary Hallway (139, 146, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:29:14.899] GAME: /(Kur-Reet) triggered and /(Nicole Addison) confirmed event Red Alert

[2020-03-04 00:31:16.545] SAY: Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) “AI OPEN” (Aft Primary Hallway (131, 100, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:31:19.300] SAY: Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) “AI O O” (Aft Primary Hallway (131, 100, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:31:29.412] SAY: Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) “AI OPEN” (Engineering (131, 95, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:31:37.166] SAY: Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) “IVE BEEN FIRELOCKED” (Engineering (131, 95, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:31:42.031] SAY: Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) “DO NOT CLOSE FIRELOCKS ON ME” (Engineering (131, 95, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:31:42.629] SAY: Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) “HELP” (Engineering (131, 95, 2))

[2020-03-04 00:31:56.588] ATTACK: /(Nicole Addison) has grabbed Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) passive grab (NEWHP: 55) (Engineering Foyer (131, 96, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:32:09.646] ATTACK: /(Nicole Addison) has thrown the spear (Engineering (131, 88, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:32:09.653] ATTACK: /(Nicole Addison) has threw and hit Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) with the spear (NEWHP: 23) (Engineering (131, 88, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:32:38.734] ATTACK: Joy Stardust/(Nicole Addison) has attacked Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) with hand drill (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -13) (Engineering (114, 90, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:32:39.756] ATTACK: /(Nicole Addison) has attacked Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) with hand drill (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -21) (Engineering (115, 90, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:33:00.126] ATTACK: /(Nicole Addison) has grabbed Fighterslam/(Everett Garrison) neck grab (NEWHP: -45.7) (Engineering (117, 89, 2))

[2020-03-04 00:33:09.347] SAY: /(Nicole Addison) “now we get you fixed upw” (Engineering (117, 89, 2))
[2020-03-04 00:33:16.649] SAY: /(Nicole Addison) “see if you're real cult” (Engineering (117, 90, 2))

I have noted the player for over escalating. They said nothing before attacking you for trespassing on red alert next to the CM. It looks like they tried to grab you once and as soon as you moved changed to a spear.

Also a note on the AI about crew harm with the firelocks.

Next time if you disagree with a decision in game, make a report about the player. I am happy to discuss anything wrong with how I was in tickets otherwise looks like this is resolved?